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Question regarding Weathersheild silicon

Post by Sandman1969 on Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:45 am

Has anyone ever had it start to peel off whatever you have it sealed to? This is the "safe for aquariums" stuff as well. When I made the pieces, I spread some on the inside & the outside to make sure it was sealed.
I used it to make a 90 degree piece for the output of my 10 gallon tub filter & it's held for the last few years. Until yesterday.
The tub started to overflow & come to find out, some of the silicon has peeled off enough to where it started to block the output fixtures.

I have since cleared the inside of the blockage & my ID shark is happy to have his bubbles back. I shut it down while I was at work in case it started again as I had no time to resolve it as I had to leave for work when it happened.

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Re: Question regarding Weathersheild silicon

Post by Sandman1969 on Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:17 pm

Surely some people use this here??

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Re: Question regarding Weathersheild silicon

Post by Suprd71 on Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:17 pm

I have used plenty of that brand, no probs. Silicone should be used only as a sealant though, not as an adhesive as it has really very little inherent strength. It is also best used on glass only, it doesnt adhere very well to acrylic or plastic.
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Re: Question regarding Weathersheild silicon

Post by Sandman1969 on Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:35 am

I used it on PVC parts. The outside is still nicely solid and leak free.

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Re: Question regarding Weathersheild silicon

Post by caoder on Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:05 pm

PVC is a type of plastic, you should really use specialized PVC glue or sealant (i think it is the purple stuff) as that is a chemical reaction that melts the 2 pieces of PVC together.

I only use GE branded silicone 1 where it is 100% silicone with no additives.
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Re: Question regarding Weathersheild silicon

Post by Sandman1969 on Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:44 pm

But just how aquarium safe would that stuff be? I have a feeling that it wouldn't be at all.

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Re: Question regarding Weathersheild silicon

Post by caoder on Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:53 pm

the pvc glue is safe for drinking water once cured, thus safe for aquariums. Most silicone mixes are more dangerous than that.
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Re: Question regarding Weathersheild silicon

Post by Sandman1969 on Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:05 am

If you can find out the name, I'd appreciate it.

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Re: Question regarding Weathersheild silicon

Post by cephalotus on Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:55 am

I avoided using the pvc sealants when i was building my palu out of fear of what it would do to the fish and used silicon instead. now I wish I had read more about it and realized it was safe. sandman, if you just go to Rona or home depot or wherever and ask for drinking safe sealant for ABS or PVC they will know which product you should use. make sure if you are using the right sealant for the type of plastic you are using tho.
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Re: Question regarding Weathersheild silicon

Post by mikebike on Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:22 am

the glues used for gluing PVC will off gas / release the solvents used in the cleaning and gluing.

I allow at least 24 hours for the vapors to relase.

I blow out any lines I glued up with a vacume cleaner.
The warm air will help flush out any residual solvents.

Rince and flush out all plumbing before using!
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Re: Question regarding Weathersheild silicon

Post by Sandman1969 on Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:56 pm

I need to make a correction.
When I bought these parts for my 10g filter from the Home Depot super store, I was under the impression that they were PVC. Turns out that they are actually poly instead.
So I ended up getting a tube of that silicone again for it.

But any ideas on a solvent/glue/cement for poly??

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Re: Question regarding Weathersheild silicon

Post by Sbenson11 on Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:26 pm

as in black poly pipe?

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Re: Question regarding Weathersheild silicon

Post by caoder on Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:45 pm

PVC stands for Polyvinyl Chloride. Most plastic pipes are either PVC or ABS.
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Re: Question regarding Weathersheild silicon

Post by Sbenson11 on Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:52 am

@caoder wrote:PVC stands for Polyvinyl Chloride. Most plastic pipes are either PVC or ABS.

Plastic pipe is yes, but he called it Poly pipe which i associate with the flexible black poly pipe. This type of pipe uses insert fittings and clamps as compared to a glue to connect the fittings.

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Re: Question regarding Weathersheild silicon

Post by Sandman1969 on Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:37 am

No, not the black stuff. I was told not to use the black stuff/ABS plastics.

On the shelf, the sticker just says Poly and it's gray.


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Re: Question regarding Weathersheild silicon

Post by Sbenson11 on Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:18 am

these fittings are for black poly pipe,

They are insert fittings that insert inside the pipe not each other and go together with hose clamps not glue.

We use tons of those here at work, below is an example our how they are used.




Is it possible for you to post a picture of what it is your trying to do so we might be able to better offer suggestions.

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Re: Question regarding Weathersheild silicon

Post by Sandman1969 on Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:46 am

Check the prior post on page 1. I have a pic of what I am using now and have for about 2yrs.

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Re: Question regarding Weathersheild silicon

Post by cephalotus on Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:24 am

that's pvc.
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Re: Question regarding Weathersheild silicon

Post by Sandman1969 on Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:13 am

That tool from Home Hardware has no business working in a hardware store then. He had No clue what he was talking about.
The sticker on the shelf & on the parts just said it was "poly". Not PVC or anything else. He stated he didn't think that pvc sealant or glue would work.

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Re: Question regarding Weathersheild silicon

Post by Sbenson11 on Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:29 am

Well actually he's right,

These fittings will not glue together. You might be able to get fittings of different sizes to fit inside one another and get it to be water tight with silicone or some kind of glue. However these are polyethylene insert fittings and they are meant to be put together with clamps.

Some insert fittings for polyethylene pipe are actually made from PVC (still not intended to be glued together) but the ones you have in the picture are not.

Maybe I missed it somewhere, but what is it exactly that you are trying to rig up?

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Re: Question regarding Weathersheild silicon

Post by mikebike on Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:38 am

if you are using the connectors in the photo those are for connecting the black polyetheline pipe.

I would use threaded connectors that screw together
to make your reducing 90 degree bend you would use a reducing bushing with a threaded 90 elbow.
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Re: Question regarding Weathersheild silicon

Post by Sbenson11 on Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:42 am

SCH 80 PVC on the left, Polyethylene on the right

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Re: Question regarding Weathersheild silicon

Post by Sandman1969 on Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:17 pm

I'm using 2 of these already on my 10 gallon tub filter for the output of the water as it filters upwards through the tub & out.



As you can see, there's 2 in use now at the top connected to 2 vinyl hoses. It does work well for this. It's just that I wanted something more secure when I tighten them in.

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Re: Question regarding Weathersheild silicon

Post by Sbenson11 on Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:28 pm

From what I can see,

my suggestion would be something like this.

http://www.bigalspets.com/slip-bulkhead-fitting-kit-1.html

They come in different sizes.

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